How long will it take an average person to learn basic Mandarin chinese to be able to at least express himself


Country: China


Hard to say, with or without lesson, abroad or in china. In shanghai, hongkong, beijing, shenzhen, guangzhou.... or countryside.
What is an average person?
A few element
I'm here since 4 years never toke a lesson and I speak like local
My friend is here since 20 years and still need a translator.
Some of my coworkers can read and write but will never be better than me in speaking.
I never study I met some of mine school friend who study in france chinese for 6 years; is writing and reading is more than ok, but nobody understood him when he came....
be more specific...
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